Sowing Seeds: "A Butterknife & A Flathead Screwdriver"

We are all "Seed-casters." Every single one of us. So we're having a serious conversation about which seeds we're casting; good or bad.

Listen as we discuss The Golden Rule, discipleship, and all of the "errands" God sends our way. It's time to roll up our sleeves, get real, and authentically evaluate just how much we are BEING the Church. Grab your pen and pad, you'll wanna take notes.

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Sowing Seeds: "A Butterknife & A Flathead Screwdriver”

We are all "Seed-casters." Every single one of us. So we're having a serious conversation about which seeds we're casting; good or bad.
 
 Listen as we discuss The Golden Rule, discipleship, and all of the "errands" God sends our way. It's time to roll up our sleeves, get real, and authentically evaluate just how much we are BEING the Church. Grab your pen and pad, you'll wanna take notes.

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My name is Heath Brady.

And I'm Andrea Brady.

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Coming atcha.

Coming atcha.

One more time.

2024.

Man, we're on a roll aren't we?

It can only keep getting better right?

Right, exactly.

Yes.

I have a rather transparent confession to make.

Okay.

I am not motivated to still take down the Christmas decorations.

Neither.

They are still up.

No, I know.

Well I'm looking out the window at our neighbors.

Oh, that's right.

So we let other people dictate what we do.

Is that how it works?

Gotta keep up with the Joneses.

Well, most people on our block have turned off the lights, at least.

Yeah, there's still some.

I know that the couple houses across the street still have their lights on every night.

We haven't the last couple.

So I don't feel too bad.

We're not the only people in the neighborhood that still have our Christmas things out.

You know, I think of memory serves.

When we moved into this house a couple of years ago, there wasn't a whole lot of Christmas decorating going on.

You know, we brought a lot of Christmas cheer to the neighborhood.

We sure did.

We really did.

And that's why we do what we do is for the enjoyment of others.

Is that correct?

That's right.

Sure it is.

Maybe we're the Joneses.

Oh.

Seriously, I never thought of that.

Or the Clark Griswold of the neighborhood.

Are we finally the head of the table?

I don't know.

We'd have to have somebody come up and tell us that.

That's true.

Yeah.

In our last house, I kind of felt that way.

Oh, yeah.

Our last house was, we were definitely the Griswolds.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Remember that one time when we had all the inflatables and like the weather was bad and I didn't turn any of them on.

And our neighbor from like up around the corner came down to our house, banged on the ground.

Like did somebody sabotage your decorations?

Oh yeah, she's somebody doing something to them.

Was there vandalism?

We had them on for so long.

She thought somebody had popped them.

That's right.

Yeah.

Oh well.

Yeah, I'm ready.

Well, you know, when your Christmas decorations start to get dusty.

It's time to take them.

Yeah.

I am not dusting though.

How do they get dusty outside?

Well, I mean inside, inside, outside.

I'm not worried about that.

Yeah.

Well, I don't think I want to wait that long.

No.

We should probably take them down soon.

Yeah.

We got to do it.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm ready.

Yeah, I think I am too.

Better ask Alexa or Siri or both of them to set reminders for us tomorrow.

So Andy, my love?

Yes.

How in the heck are you?

I'm doing good.

Happy New Year.

Yes.

Yeah.

That's so last week though.

Yeah.

My New Year, New Year.

Not doing so much.

And this is why we don't make resolutions, folks.

Right.

Well, I mean, I'm thinking about it.

I'm thinking about it.

At least I'm thinking about it on the daily basis.

I'm still praying and I'm reading scripture every day, but not to the amount that I wanted.

So I have to discipline myself a little more.

I think.

Of course, I'm still wonderful and sweet and kind to everyone all the time and 24/7.

So, you know, it's hard to improve on that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Maybe I could use some bit of humility.

Yeah, I don't remember that one being on your list.

No.

Oh, gosh.

How are you doing, honey?

Well, I'm kind of in the middle.

Mm-hmm.

Like, I'm doing good.

But at the same time, like, my post holiday, FOMO and depression and all that stuff, like,

it's just, it's so ridiculous.

FOMO?

Yeah.

Fear missing out.

Yeah.

And like, like, I just, I find myself thinking about the kids all being back in school.

Some of those of you that still have kids at home, we don't thank the Lord.

But.

I was quite happy this year that we didn't have to worry about, you know, school schedules and

stuff like that.

Yeah.

I know.

I know.

It was nice, but I'm just thinking, you know, the holidays get over and then, you know, people

go back to work, kids go back to school.

And you're just like, right back into the routine.

And I remember when I was a kid, we used to call this period between now and spring break

the long haul.

Really?

That's what me and my friends used to call it.

Because back then, you know, in our day, back in the 80s, we didn't have all of these

extra special breaks that Steve and I did.

Mid-winter break.

Yeah.

I post my post holiday let down.

Why I had the whole week off after Christmas?

And I got into a bad habit.

Staying up late watching TV.

Oh, well I helped contribute to that.

Or playing on my phone.

But like literally until midnight.

And I can't do that anymore.

I really got into the bad habit of doing that.

And then sleeping, trying to sleep in a little.

And knowing I have to actually get up at like 6.30.

Well that's because you have two little four pound alarm clocks

that are ready to go no matter what time they went to bed the night before.

Yeah, free monsters at 6.30 in the morning.

Yeah.

Isn't it funny how like when we were kids we did the same thing.

And now here we are serious grown adults.

Serious.

And we still do it.

Right.

It's pretty funny.

Well.

Got to live a little.

That's true.

Hey Jay, nothing but a number right?

That's right.

It's all a mindset.

Tell that to my joints.

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We're kicking off a new little series for you all.

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Alright Andy, guess what?

What?

Business handled.

You ready to get into this?

I am.

Absolutely.

Let's do it.

So, you know, we are not going to talk about any more new year, new year, new you cliche stuff.

That's good.

Yeah.

Because it only took a week for us to not fulfill our new year, new you pl-

That was so last week.

We got 51 more weeks to get it right this year, right?

Well, we are going to start a series of conversations about essentially all of us

part of the church body putting on our spiritual gardening hat.

We're going to have a conversation about sewing seeds, about planting seeds and sewing seeds

and cultivating seeds and producing fruit.

Nice.

Yeah.

It's going to be deep.

It's going to be funny.

I have a black thumb.

The real plants.

For real plants, yes.

And I don't have thumbs at all.

So, for the first part of the conversation, we're going to be focusing on what it means to live outwardly.

Okay.

So, I wanted to kick off the conversation by bringing up some little tidbits of insights from one of what used to be my favorite contemporary Christian singers.

Oh.

That would be the Mr. Michael W. Smith.

Awesome.

Yes.

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, Smitty had this album.

I think it came out in like 1990-ish.

It was the Go West Young Man album.

And on that album, he had a song called "Seed to Sew."

Oh, okay.

And it was a very interesting song.

This was that during that time period where Michael W. Smith was starting to employ the vocal talents of different choirs.

And so, on this particular song, he had this really very talented African boys choir that was singing in their language for part of the song.

But I wanted to read just some of the lyrics.

Like, for instance, one of the verses says, "We are all pieces of the whole with different feelings to evoke."

"Giving distinction to the role, different players, different strokes."

And then he goes into the chorus.

"One thing I know, everybody's got a seed to sew. Let your heart of hearts take you down the road. Everybody's got a seed to sew."

The point that he is getting at with this song is that every single human being, we're not even talking about just Christians here.

We're not just talking about members of the church body.

Every single person is a seed seller.

Everybody has distinctive gifts, distinctive talents, distinctive roles.

Inside the church body, God has called us and equipped us and gifted us all individually to be different pieces to the whole.

And so, it's essentially very, very important that we keep the mindset that whenever we enter a space that somebody else occupies with us, we start becoming seed casters.

We start casting seeds out all of the time.

And that is something that I really don't believe we think about very often as Christians that we are constantly casting out seeds.

It's true.

It's more than just using the old cliche of the parable of the sower because that's a different conversation altogether.

That's about the gospel being preached in and of itself.

So, we're not talking about that.

We're talking about literally living your Christian life outwardly in the presence of others.

And what that may look like, what it should look like, and rather what it should not look like.

So, we're going to get pretty deep here.

Okay.

Andy?

Yes.

This whole concept of being seed casters or seed sowers wherever we go.

It's kind of heavy.

Don't you think?

It is.

Kind of broad.

Yeah.

But let's kind of reel it in a little bit and discuss some ideas or thoughts that we might have about what we're getting at here when we talk about sowing seeds with others.

Well, in some Christian circles they might call it being a good witness.

Hmm.

Maybe.

Yes.

And when you meet somebody, it's like a divine appointment.

Oh, yes.

Like the old Axel Ferdin, who wrote the book God's Aaron boy, who believed that every encounter you had with another human being was a divine Aaron that God had sent you on.

And that's the divine perspective or eternal perspective that we like to talk about.

But, you know, we don't always think about that.

When we're out at the grocery store or getting gas at the gas station or when we're in the middle of a conflict sometimes.

Or when we're shaking hands and saying good morning to people on a Sunday.

That too.

Or when we're trying to figure out where we're going to sit in the sanctuary.

Right.

Or when we're waiting in line for coffee in the fellowship hall.

Yeah.

Small talk.

Small talk.

Yeah.

Just like asking someone, how are you doing?

And really hoping that they just say, I'm fine. How are you?

I swear, small talk is a Christian's kryptonite.

Because man, if somebody says, how are you doing?

That is just like so stressful.

Like all of just the conundrum that your insides are in.

Right.

But just all the thoughts that go through your head.

Do they really care how I'm doing?

Should I really tell them how I'm doing?

How do I get out of this conversation?

Right.

Well, let's just say you ask somebody how you're doing and they tell you they're not doing well.

And then you say, oh, that's horrible.

I'm so sorry to hear that.

Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.

And they ask for your help.

How joyful are you in jumping to help somebody that asked for it?

Or is that become a burden?

Right.

You know.

Any regrets saying how you're doing?

Right.

I mean, that sounds really terrible.

But I'm just being realistic.

Sometimes these are thoughts and feelings that we struggle with as Christians.

And I think a lot of people are afraid to actually ask for help because they don't want to be a burden to other people.

I mean, wouldn't it be beautiful if we could actually reach out to our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ and ask for help when we actually need it?

And not be a burden.

Or feel like you're going to be one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I don't know.

I'm just going to put that on my wish list for next time.

You're going to save that for 2025?

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

I'm just thinking out loud, you know.

Those are good thoughts, though, because I think that I think that everything in that scenario,

whether you're the one asking or the one being asked.

As I said, it's the Christian script tonight. I think that that is a part of the church culture specifically in the West that has evolved into this horrible double-edged sword,

where just a simple greeting is cliched and uncomfortable.

I just kind of envisioned that we should all be excited for Sunday morning.

Yeah, absolutely.

Not just because we get to go worship our Lord and Savior,

but we get to worship corporately with other brothers and sisters in Christ.

And that should just be like rejuvenating and exciting, and we can't wait to see everybody.

But I know that every single Sunday, because I've experienced this,

that every Sunday doesn't feel that way.

And, you know, having been in the ministry for as long as I have, I came to be understanding a long time ago,

that not everybody that's crossing the threshold of the church doors on a Sunday morning has had even a good Sunday morning.

I mean, everybody's coming with their different heart condition, if you will.

That's true.

And I think that we as Christians need to be reminded that Christianity is not a religion of bettering ourselves.

That's Jesus' job.

Christianity is a lifestyle of worship and pouring out ourselves into other people.

And not just a church.

I mean, I kind of, you know, flippantly brought up church.

But like you mentioned, the grocery store, the gas station.

Yeah.

You know, we want, we should strive to be the type of human beings that people are attracted to because there's something different about us.

And I think that a lot of times, we as Christians become more like the ungodly, more like the unchurched.

And the lines are kind of blurred because we're in a hurry because we had a bad day because we have an appointment because we're here but we're thinking about what's coming next.

Whatever it might be, you understand what I'm saying?

Yeah, exactly.

And those behaviors and those words that we put out there to others, they come from somewhere.

Well, guess what? They come from the heart.

Scripture says that as a man thinks in his heart so is he.

That's in the, you know, Westie trusty book of Proverbs.

But Jesus kind of, Jesus kind of picks this apart in Matthew chapter 15.

I wanted to read a few verses there.

Okay.

He gets into this whole dissertation with a crowd that's around him and the Pharisees overhear Jesus say some things.

And they're extremely offended.

But he says in Matthew chapter 15, starting in verse 13,

"Every plant which my Heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted.

Let them alone.

They are blind guides of the blind.

And if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit.

So he's talking to the crowd, but he's talking about the Pharisees.

And then Peter, get old Peter, comes over to Jesus and says, explain the parable to us.

Thank you, Peter.

Thank you, Peter.

Jesus said, are you still lacking in understanding also?

Peter, thanks for taking one for the team, bro.

Yeah, exactly.

Do you not understand that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is eliminated?

But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart and those defile the man.

For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders.

These are the things which defile the man.

But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man.

So that last little tidbit gives kind of the context of Jesus giving this parable.

That they were talking about these religious duties and practices that were supposed to...

You know, they were part of that whole religion that the Pharisees were teaching and preaching and making money off of.

And he's trying to get people's focus off of pleasing the Pharisees, thinking that that's how God will like them so that they won't be defiled by eating certain things or washing their hands before they eat in certain ways and whatever.

But rather to think about what's the most important thing which is what's in their hearts.

Because what's in their hearts affects what comes out of their mouth and what they do.

Out of the heart comes evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, etc.

So along those same lines in this conversation that we're having here about planting seeds.

Well, once again, my good old Michael W. Smith buddy.

Right.

He had this person that was in his band that gave an interview and he talked about that song, those lyrics that I read it's called "Seed to So".

But he talked about how every single one of us is a seed planter.

We're planting good seeds and we're even planting bad seeds and every one of us is doing it.

And no matter what type of seeds that we are casting out or planting, they're going to grow.

The challenge is which seeds are you sowing?

The good ones or the bad ones?

And so essentially what Jesus is getting at here in Matthew 15 is that all of these behaviors are rooted in the heart.

So if we have these bad behaviors, if we have these negative behaviors towards others,

if we have negative speech towards others, they have a root somewhere which is in the heart.

Yeah.

It's a heart issue.

Does that make sense?

So out of the heart comes the good seeds and the bad seeds that we cast among all other humans.

Something to think about.

Something to chew on.

When those days happen, I have to take heed, man. I mean everybody has their moments where they lose their cool or they don't feel like being nice or they're hanging grumpy, you know.

Yeah, they don't want to be bugged.

Yeah.

But remember, like Jesus, they never left Jesus alone.

No.

Every time Jesus tried to take a nap, somebody needed them.

That's the worst time. That's the worst part of it.

I know.

And I have to say when I'm tired, I'm grumpy.

I have like little patience.

Oh, you and me both.

Oh man.

It's almost like when you get too tired, cranky, grumpy people together under the same roof, you have to call a time out and go to different parts of the house.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, time out, I'm cranky.

Yeah.

But isn't that interesting though?

Like that tired cranky root that's in the heart casts out seed with what we do or what we say.

Because.

Versus, I mean, I'm not saying that it's wrong to be tired.

But the cranky and the grumpy.

Right?

Yeah.

I'm just really, really tired.

To gather myself.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

But think about that.

That puts the onus on the other person to display patience.

Like now they can't be in a hurry to talk to you.

That's true.

Like, what do you mean?

I got to wait for you to gather yourself.

I need to talk to you right now.

Yeah.

You know, it's kind of like you need the right tool for the job.

Oh, of course.

So if you try to hammer a nail without a hammer, how successful are you going to be?

Sure.

So if you need tools to deal with the situation, there's no harm in excusing yourself and going to the toolbox.

You know, and.

And we can't take shortcuts either.

You can't screw in a Phillips screw with a flathead screwdriver.

Well, you know, I put down the flathead screwdriver.

Take the time to go find a Phillips.

Come back and do it right.

Well, I've used a butter knife to screw in a flathead.

But that's okay because they're related.

A butter knife in a flathead screwdriver is essentially the same tool.

One just cuts things and the other only screws and screws.

But you're right.

That's a great point that we need the right tool for the job.

And if we don't have the right tool in the moment, we need to take a time out and go find it.

That's a really great point, honey.

I like that.

I did find some scripture that reinforces these thoughts that we're having right now.

Oh, scripture, more scripture.

More scripture.

Yeah.

You can never have too much scripture.

So now we're going to jump to Galatians 6.

Oh, Paul.

We love Paul.

Yes, we love Paul.

Galatians 6 starting in verse 7.

"Do not be deceived.

God is not mocked for whatever a man sows this, he will also reap.

For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption.

But the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life."

Now here in verse 9, I love this.

"Let us not lose heart in doing good.

For in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary."

So then while we have the opportunity, let us do good to all people,

and especially to those who are of the household of the faith.

Wow.

Good old Paul.

I know.

Swinging for the cheap seats.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I know how he starts that whole conversation with "Do not be deceived."

Yeah.

Right.

Like everybody's cheeks clinched on that one.

"Do not be deceived."

Uh-oh.

Paul means what he's about to say.

Listen up.

Yeah.

And how he says to do good to all people.

That Greek word for all.

I looked it up.

It means all.

Oh, okay.

But especially for the people of the house of the Lord.

Yeah, especially to our brothers, sisters, and Christ.

Yeah.

And I know that we've said this before, but there are times where I feel like I get along better

with people who don't belong to the faith than people who are at church with me on a Sunday morning.

And it shouldn't be that way.

No.

I mean, if there is a place that needs all of the good seeds being cast and sewn and planted and cultivated and grown into fruition, it's the church.

Yeah.

Especially in 2024.

Hmm.

I mean, the world needs us.

And I'm not trying to be all us versus them.

I'm trying to say that they need us.

Mm-hmm.

And us needs to get it together.

Right.

You see what I'm saying?

In Luke chapter 6, this is Luke's rendering of Jesus' infamous Beatitudes from Matthew chapter 5.

And Luke writes some interesting things as well.

In verse 27, Jesus said these words, "But I say to you who hear, love your enemies and do good to those who hate you.

Bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.

Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also.

Whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either.

Give to everyone who asks of you and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back."

And then the infamous Golden Rule, Luke 631, "Treat others the same way you want them to treat you."

Mm-hmm.

That's the context of the infamous Golden Rule.

You know, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Well, what does that look like? Jesus just told you.

Even the people that dislike you the most.

You still got to love them.

You still got to treat them with respect.

You still got to treat them with kindness.

Because if the roles were reversed, even if we as Christians are having a bad day,

and we treat another person poorly, that's kind of defeating the purpose.

Do you think?

Yeah, definitely.

I mean, at the end of the day, what we're talking about here, ladies and gentlemen, is discipleship.

Mm-hmm.

And discipleship is not a program.

It's not a book on the shelf that you pull off and read and do a checklist as you go through.

It's not a workbook.

It's not a workbook.

Oh.

It's not a pyramid scheme.

It's not a seminar.

Not a definitely not a seminar.

[laughter]

No, discipleship is a lifestyle.

And Jesus demonstrated what that lifestyle looked like when he made disciples.

He went, he was intentional, and said, "Hey you, I'm going to pour my life into you."

And I'm going to teach you to be the best version of you that you ever dreamed possible,

all for the glory of God and the benefit of others.

Wow.

That's discipleship.

Mm-hmm.

So, when we talk about seed casting,

the good seed and/or the bad seed,

which seed do you think helps discipleship?

Which seed do you think harms discipleship?

That's not a rhetorical question.

Let me ask that question.

Well, obviously the good seed.

Yes. And why do you think that is?

Because it's love-based.

Mm-hmm.

Not selfish-based.

Mm-hmm.

Yes, like even in 1 Corinthians 13, the infamous love chapter of Paul writes,

I think it's in verse 8,

that these three remain faith-hope and love,

but the greatest of these is love.

Mm-hmm.

Agape.

We can't stress this enough.

We can't emphasize this enough.

We can't bring this up enough.

That the root of all godly behavior comes from Christ like agape love.

Mm-hmm.

Christ's love.

That he loved us first with, mind you.

My.

Is essentially that big, huge bag that hangs on our waist,

full of all of those good seeds that we're casting.

Mm-hmm.

And the cool thing is, is that the more of Christ's love that we have growing in our hearts,

the more that bag on our hips stays full.

Right.

It never runs out.

Mm-hmm.

But then we got this other bag.

It's on the other side.

No, no, no.

I don't have a bad seed bag.

I have more of a bad seed vault that I regularly make with draws from.

Let's see, remember in Romans chapter 6, Paul wrote that the wages of sin is death,

that sin is something that you actually have to work towards,

and its reward in the end is death,

it takes way more effort to actually cast bad seeds.

Yeah.

You actually have to work harder at it.

Which means that that bag that's on your other hip that's supposed to hold all the bad seed,

it's empty most of the time.

Which means you gotta go bind it and stock up.

Isn't that crazy?

It's like scheming.

Ooh.

I think there's a whole sermon in that where you just said, "That'll preach."

But you get what I'm saying?

Yeah.

It's all about the heart.

It's all about what's in the heart.

And back in the book of Proverbs chapter 4 verse 23,

it says, "Watch over your heart with all diligence,

for from it flow the springs of life."

The next verse says, "Put away from you a deceitful mouth,

and put devious speech far from you.

Let your eyes look directly ahead and let your gaze be fixed straight in front of you.

Watch the path of your feet, and all your ways will be established.

Do not turn to the right, nor to the left.

Turn your foot from evil."

Essentially, ladies and gentlemen,

if we want to be godly seed planters,

if we want to duplicate the discipleship of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,

He's put us on a path.

We call it the straight and narrow.

If you will, right?

Okay.

But here in Proverbs, we hear these wise words

to guard our hearts with all diligence,

and to not look left and not look right,

but to actually turn our feet away from evil.

The secret to staying on the straight and narrow path

is to not let our feet turn towards evil,

to go get the seeds that are bad.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, that makes sense.

Like I always say, Christianity is very, very simple.

Christians make it extremely difficult,

because we go hunting for bad seeds.

That's true.

Rather than casting the good seeds,

because let's face it, ladies and gentlemen,

we all need good seeds,

casting to our own lives on a regular basis.

So the question I have is,

who among us is going to lead the way

in casting those seeds out?

And that's all we have to say about that.

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